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H2o electrolysers and HHO supplementation

Electrolyte Resource

Posted by admin on Sep-7-2008 under Uncategorized
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A lot of people seem to have questions about various electrolytes used in the production of HHO. I thought it would be a good idea to create some sort of resource to help people understand the various choices out there. Maybe a moderator can make this sticky or something.

Tap water:

Contains god knows what in the way of additives. This will vary from place to place. Does it work? Yes. But you will have varying results if you need to fill up in a different county. In most places tap water contains Chlorine as a biological inhibitor. During the electrolysis process this will create chlorine gas along with the HHO. For anybody with Aluminum parts in your engine this could spell disaster. It has been suggested that you should let the tap water sit in a open jar for 48 hours with a piece of cheese cloth over the top to keep out the dust. This will allow the Chlorine to dissipate out of solution, kind of like what some people do when they first fill a fish tank to protect the fish.

Distilled water:

This is by far the most suggested for use as a base. Distilled water by itself doesn’t conduct electricity very well. This means that you will need to add some sort of electrolyte to the mix. If you are trying to be somewhat scientific about your experimentation then this is what you want.

HVAC condensation:

This has the advantage of being very cost effective as you are already using the AC to keep cool. All you have to do is collect the condensation for use later. It is distilled water in the general since, but since it isn’t in a controlled environment it may contain impurities. But hey, it doesn’t cost any more than the standard use of your AC.

Sea Water:

Sea water of course contains NaCl or salt. This will be extremely corrosive on your plates. Could also be real bad if you get any in your engine. There are several thoughts on how this breaks down chemically during the electrolysis process and will produce poisonous gases. There was someone who talked about boiling the sea water until the NaCl fell out of solution and then use what is left. It has potential, but be prepared to replace major components of your cell on a regular basis.

Hydrogen Peroxide:

Or H2O2. The stuff you buy off the shelf is only 3% by volume. The rest is just H2O. Hydrogen peroxide breaks down very easily with light or heat. As such it doesn’t do much for you in the long run. It is mildly acidic, but it turns to water in a very short time once the cell starts to heat up.

Vinegar:

Vinegar has a real low boiling point and thus tends to be a poor choice as an electrolyte. What happens is the cell starts to boil and you loose most of your electrolyte to evaporation. However it works real well as a cleaning solution for your cell. If you want to get rid of the junk left over from Sodium bicarbonate or finger prints on the plates… etc… Some even use it to pre-condition there cells for a better production rate with other electrolytes.

Table salt:

Or NaCl. Creates Chlorine gas during electrolisys. Extremely corrosive. Does it work? Yes, but probably not the best choice.

Epsom Salt:

Also known as Magnesium Sulfate or MgSO4. Does it work? Yes, but what are you creating in the process? Any Chemist out there want to speculate? My high school chemistry sugest that you could end up with MgO + H2S04. Magnesium Oxide and Sulfuric acid. Again I am not a chemist, so I avoided testing with this.

Sodium Bicarbonate:

Also known as Baking Soda or NaHCO3. This is probably the one that most people start out with as they have it in their kitchen. It does work, but there are better results with NaOH and KOH. It is believed that sodium bicarbonate will break down to NaOH and CO2 gas in the electrolysis process. Also it creates a brown colored gunk in the cell and most believe that, over time, will reduce the output of the cell.

Sodium Hydroxide:

Also known as lye, caustic soda or NaOH. Has the advantage of being fairly easy to purchase (usually sold as drain cleaner). Does not get used up in the electrolysis process such that all you have to add is water periodically. Great results. Can burn the skin if you come in contact with it.

Potassium Hydroxide:

Also known as potash or KOH. Considered by most to be the best option. Can be found in specialty shops that make soap. It conducts electricity better than NaOH so less is needed in solution. Like NaOH it can burn the skin if you come in contact with it.

How much electrolyte should I use?

That depends on so many variables it is almost impossible to define. The going answer to this question is this. Start with figureing out what the maximum temperature your cell design can handle. Subtract about 20% for safety from that and call it your max cell temperature. Then heat your distilled water up to that temperature and poor it into the cell. Then add ¼ teaspoon of electrolyte. Hook up your cell to the power source and take an amperage reading. You can then add small quantities of electrolyte to your cell until you get the amperage that you are looking for. This will get you close to the operating ability of your cell design. Example: If you are using CPVC to build you cell, it is good up to about 180 degrees F. So you would heat your water to 140 degrees. The amount of amperage is really dependent on what you think your car can handle. Probably no more than about 20 amps realisticly. If you find that your cell is getting too hot, then just back off of the electrolyte.

What should I do with my used electrolyte?

That depends on what your cell is made of. If you are using any metal that is chrome plated, contains Chrome or Chromium like stainless steel. Then you end up leaching something call Hexavalent Chromium out of the metal during the electrolisys process. Hexavalent Chromium or Cr(VI) is a known carcinogen and is bad juju if it gets in the drinking water (see the movie Erin Brockovich). In this case don’t pour your used electrolyte down the drain. Mark it with the chemical name of the electrolyte { Example NaOH & Cr(VI) } and take it to your local Hazmat collection center.
If your cell is made out of something like Carbon plates, you wont have the above problem. It would probably be safe to just dump it down the drain.
If you are using more exotic metals like titanium… who knows. Prbably best to always take it to the Hamat collection point.

If you have anything to add or, god forbid, change (I have been wrong before). Please let me know and I will update this list.

There are many benefits of using hydrogen as a fuel, compared to conventional fuel options.

1) Hydrogen is incredibly inexpensive. They is an unlimited quantity waiting to be harvested and used. Fossil fuels are a finite resource, which one day will be completely depleted. Hydrogen is a renewable fuel source.

2) Hydrogen is extremely clean fuel. When hydrogen fuels an engine, there is no carbon dioxide, the only by-product is crystal clear water.

3) Hydrogen is safer to burn than any existing fuel source currently being used. We are all much more conscience of the environment and how we can protect it. In the USA, California has laws requiring clean-burning cars, and hydrogen would fulfill this legal mandate. Because hydrogen is produced “on demand” and not stored,it is safer to use.

4) Hydrogen is more affordable than fossil fuels. Hydrogen can be produced with either solar or wind power, both of which cost consumers nothing.

5) Hydrogen creates more energy per pound than any other conventional fuel. Hydrogen is two to three times more energy efficient than petrol, disiel or gas in vechiles.

A vast amount of research is currently being done into providing a cleaner, safer, renewable source of unlimited fuel termed “the hydrogen economy.” This is the potential future where consumers become dependant on hydrogen as the primary fuel source.

If that day comes, we will save us money and protect our environment.

Why Hydrogen is a safe fuel?
The main reason is that hydrogen ir rarely found in its ionic, free floating state. Hydrogen always bonds with itself or other gases around it when it is free floating. The systems discussed are based on using hydrogen using “on-demand” application. It is not stored for later use.

Pure hydrogen cars require extensive, and expensive engine modifications. Converting from petrol/gas only needs minor adjustments and can be removed in a matter of minutes.

How it works?

Posted by on Jul-31-2008 under Uncategorized

The electrolysis of water is a simple process where a liquid undergoes a chemical change while conducting an electric current. The electrolysis of water breaks the water molecule apart into is hydrogen and oxygen ions. Liquids that conduct electricity must contain freely moving ions in order to complete a circuit.

Water is a great conductor of electricity. When a water molecule is broken up we get two H+ ions but only one 02- ion. The electrolysis of water produces twice as much hydrogen gas as oxygen.

A simple experiment to demonstrate this principle:
If you place two wires connected to a battery the positive ions (the H+ ions) will be attracted to the negatively charged electrons on the wire. All ions strive to be neutral. FOr it to become neutral, it will need to collect an electron from the negatively charged end of the wire, creating a neutral hydrogen atom.

When the two are joined together it forms hydrogen gas. This is why you see bubbles rising from the negative end of the wire.

So which side is producing the hydrogen?
Remember, every water molecule is broken up with two H+ ions and only one 02- ion. The electrolysis of water produces twice as much hydrogen gas as oxgen, so the side with the most bubbles is producing the hydrogen gas.

Oxygen is also much heavier than hydrogen, being sixteen times heavier. So, the height of oxygen (half the quantity) is eight times more than hydrogen.

Availability, Extraction and Storage

Posted by on Jul-31-2008 under Uncategorized

Hydrogen is the third most common element on earth. Yet there is very little free hydrogen in the air. Since it is highly reactive, and reactis when released with other gases.

When hydrogen reacts with oxygen we get the reverse of electrolysis = water. It’s also very light (fifteen times lighter) than air, so it rises quickly.

Other ways water can be used as fuel

Posted by on Jul-28-2008 under Past News

This also shows that water can be used as a fuel. The public need not to be fooled into thinking that a hydrogen economy needs to be assimilated by the usage of the now redundant production of dangerous hydrogen storage in tanks, and or produced by none renewable methods. Add to this suppressive fallacy; there have since surfaced HIGHER efficient ways of producing hydroxy technology since 1918.

A typical hydroxy booster operates by “brute force” DC electrolysis. This process functions in accordance with faradays laws of electrolysis. This is what the mainstream curricula attribute to ALL methods of possible hydrogen production from water. However unknown to the mainstream faculties there are OTHER more efficient ways of achieving the extraction of hydrogen from water. This is done by using pulsed DC under certain resonant conditions to create an open system which is able to extract additional (non thermal) energy from the environment.

Not only does this technology Improve MPG | LPK (Miles Per Gallon | Litres Per Kilometre), SIGNIFICANTLY CUT EMMISSIONS down to a healthier level plus allow many more benefits. This technology also opens the door scientifically for 100% water based oxyhydrogen fuel systems for vehicles. This is an obvious threat to the multi trillion dollar OIL industry. Hydroxy technology has even shown to be effective at reduction of radioactivity.

Hydroxy technologies also show that hydrogen power can be stored safely by being perfectly inert in water. As a result, hydrogen can be produced on DEMAND from water. This eliminates the need for dangerous hydrogen storage tanks on board cars and in any communities wishing to use hydrogen for power.

Quote - ” Hydrogen-on-demand does not need costly infrastructure and makes cars safer ” Hydrogen-on-demand would not only remove the need for costly hydrogen pipelines and distribution infrastructure, it would also make hydrogen vehicles safer. “The theoretical advantage of on-board generation is that you don’t have to muck about with hydrogen storage,” says Mike Millikin, who monitors developments in alternative fuels for the Green Car Congress website. A car that doesn’t need to carry tanks of flammable, volatile liquid or compressed gas would be much less vulnerable in an accident. “It also potentially offsets the requirements for building up a massive hydrogen production and distribution infrastructure,” Millikin says-End quote Mike Millikin.

Quote- Hydrogen-on-demand, whether from water or another source, could address two of the big problems still holding back the wider use of hydrogen as a vehicle fuel: how to store the flammable gas, and how to transport it safely. Today’s hydrogen-fuelled cars rely on stocks of gas produced in centralized plants and distributed via refueling stations in either liquefied or compressed form. Neither is ideal. The liquefaction process eats up to 40 per cent of the energy content of the stored hydrogen, while the energy density of the gas, even when compressed, is so low it is hard to see how it can ever be used to fuel a normal car.-End quote New scientist magazine.

How to Run Your Car on Water

Posted by on Jul-27-2008 under Hydrogen Plans

Run your car on water is a technology which helps car owners spend a lot less on fuel by adapting the water fuel technology. They actually sell a Do-it-yourself guide geared towards helping you set up your own car and run it on water. This is done by harnessing the electricity in your battery to split the water molecules and thus cause your car to run on hydrogen. This does not mean that you would have to completely ignore gasoline. It just means that your car will run side by side with both gasoline and HHO (hydrogen), also referred to as brown gas.

With this introduction, you should be able to decipher what the benefits of using water as fuel is. The first benefit is the amount of money you would save on gas. Some people have reportedly saved as much as $200 on gas within a month of using the device. Other benefits of using this is reduced carbon dioxide emissions, saving time as you do not always have to queue for fuel at filling stations, can be used on any of the different car types, trucks,